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Saturday, May 15, 2021

How to Write a Good Copy: Copywriting Secrets You Should Know with Bret Thomson


How do you use words and ideas to make a profit? Easy. Write a great copy. 

Copywriting is one of the most important skills any business owner must learn. When you know how to write a good copy, you can clearly and effectively communicate what you offer.  You are then able to connect with your clients and build lasting relationships.

In today’s podcast, we learn the fundamentals of copywriting from Bret Thomson, one of the most sought-after copywriters and conversion strategists in Australia. He talks about how he got into the copywriting space after avoiding reading and writing in school. Bret also shares five valuable things you must know to become a successful copywriter.

If you’re a business owner who wants to increase your leads and sales, this episode is for you. Tune in to learn how to write a good copy and generate business.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand how important copywriting is for any business owner. 
  2. Discover how Bret went from being allergic to writing in school to excelling in copywriting.
  3. Learn Bret’s fundamental steps on how to write a good copy.

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Episode Highlights

How Bret Got Started

  • In school, Bret didn’t like books and claimed he was allergic to reading and writing.
  • 10 years after graduating, he became a full-time investor and made his social life his priority.
  • He was blessed with twin boys, which completely changed his priorities in life. He started reading books and became a personal development machine.
  • He then found himself in a network marketing business, where he developed the confidence to approach people, resilience to rejection, and the ability to sell things.
  • After working at a nuts and bolts company for 15 years, he decided to resign and start his own business.

Entering the Copywriting Space

  • After talking to some of the best marketers in Australia, Bret realized that his business model was bad.
  • At first, he didn’t believe them, but he ended up listening to them after losing all his money.
  • He heard about copywriting at an event and thought it was the last thing he wanted to do. He later realized that copywriting was simply salesmanship in print.
  • Since then, he studied up on how to write a good copy and started getting results.
  • Soon, people were emailing him and asking him to write for them.

Do Your Research

  • Research is key to know how to write a good copy. Bret spends 70-80% of his time researching and only 20% writing.
  • You don’t have to be a wordsmith to know how to write a good copy. You simply have to understand the psychology of your clients.
  • Talk to your clients to know what makes them tick.
  • What the business owner thinks he knows about the market is generally completely different from reality.
  • A campaign that might have worked a few years ago may not work today. Markets change and evolve, and so does people’s awareness.

Come Up with a Big Idea

  • The second thing you should be good at is coming up with a big idea.
  • Many people play it safe, but Bret prefers pushing things to the edge and going out of the box.

The Importance of Headlines

  • Most people stay on a page for only three seconds. They look at the headline and decide if it’s worth their time.
  • You could have the same ad with the same body and offer, but you will get different results with different headlines. One will outperform the other several times over.
  • Writing email subjects is a good way to practice writing headlines. 
  • When you go through your emails, scan the subject lines and see if anything catches your attention.
  • Motion beats meditation, so permit yourself to write lots of bad headlines. That’s how you get in the flow.

Writing in a Conversational Style

  • People usually feel compelled to use big words to sound intelligent, but doing this just puts readers to sleep.
  • The best way to learn how to write conversationally is to sell an idea to a person you feel comfortable with. Ask them to give feedback and deal with these on the spot.
  • There are a certain number of boxes you have to tick in people’s minds to make a sale. If you miss one, they are not going to buy it. 
  • One objection missed is a sale missed. Tune in to discover how to write a good copy, one that ticks people’s boxes. 

Keep Everything Short

  • The more people read, the more they buy. Unfortunately, people don’t like reading nowadays.
  • Bret usually makes his paragraphs only one sentence long, especially in emails, to ease people into it.
  • He also tries to limit his sentences to seven words, excluding the short ones.
  • When you write, make everything as short as possible—short words, short sentences, short paragraphs.
  • Long and convoluted texts allow your readers to trip up and start to skim-read, breaking the flow.

How to Improve Readability

  • Layout design is truly important.
  • The worst thing that can happen when someone comes to your site is if they don’t know where to look. This causes instant sales friction.
  • Take out the clutter.
  • Ask yourself: what is the soul and the priority of my website? Make sure these dominate your web pages. 

Long vs. Short Copy

  • Always write to heavy users. They are fanatics but write to them as if they’re skeptics.
  • Write copy in the same mindset as the one you’d have if you were in court fighting to keep your kids. Don’t leave anything out to get your case across.
  • Instead of pleasing those who are never going to buy in the first place, write to the enthusiasts.
  • In the sales process, you don’t want your readers to think. By writing longer copies, you avoid creating an opportunity for readers to stop and think about the negative things.
  • It’s about knowing how to present everything in digestible, bite-sized pieces laid out in a format that is easy on the eyes and in a way that speaks to your audience.

5 Powerful Quotes from this Episode

“I learned very quickly that you can have one good idea on one side, but unless you know marketing, then it can just flop and you can lose a lot of money.”

“Good marketing can sell a nonexistent product, while bad marketing can’t give away free gold.”

“Copywriting is a skill that will pay for life, and it’s because it’s about just really articulating what it is you offer to people in simple language.”

“If you don’t know the conversation going on inside your customer’s head, you’re going to spend a lot of money to get a lot of data, but you need to know how to improve it.”

“To be a real business and grow in scale, you actually have to advertise.”

About the Guest

Bret Thomson is a best-selling author, speaker, coach, and mentor to thousands. He is one of Australia’s highest-paid and most in-demand copywriters and sales conversion strategists. He has consistently created successful multimillion-dollar marketing campaigns for his clients. He is responsible for the marketing behind bringing Sir Richard Branson out to Australia. He is also the secret weapon behind some of the country's largest and most profitable direct response marketing campaigns.

Bret is an explosive and entertaining stage presenter. He is the creator of one of Australia's most popular copywriting products called The 7 Hour Sales Letter. This workbook has taught thousands of people how to write a good copy.

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Friday, May 14, 2021

How To Start A Business And Be Successful ? Business | Executive Coach


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Thursday, May 13, 2021

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Wednesday, May 12, 2021

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Tuesday, May 11, 2021

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Monday, May 10, 2021

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Sunday, May 09, 2021

How Losing Oil Money Led to Creating Passive Income Ideas with Roger Rose


Are you building a business, or are you merely creating a job for yourself? Often, it's challenging to draw the line when we're following the path we know will get us by. However, most of the time, that path offers us no growth and no fulfillment; it's not for the long haul. That's why if you want to create success, the key is to build a business and have good passive income ideas. After all, can you truly say you've succeeded if you have no time to live your life?

In this episode, B2B specialist Roger Rose joins us to talk about how he got out of the trap of “creating a job for yourself.” After losing their family's oil business, he realized that he couldn't go back to where he used to be by working. Roger shares some of the best practices in productivity, discipline, and passive income ideas that he learned along the way.

Do you want to know the mindset that will help you be open to passive income ideas and enjoy your life? You’ll surely get a lot of valuable golden nuggets by listening to this episode!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Discover the importance of self-discipline in building an entrepreneurial mindset.
  2. Learn actionable tips on how you can address things that hold you back.
  3. Understand the concept of the financial thermostat and how you can use it to work your way towards success.

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Valuable Insights on Building a Business and Not Just Creating a Job

Making It on Your Own

  • Roger believes that you need to find out what works and focus on that. 
  • One of Roger’s biggest challenges was getting away from things that don’t contribute to his success and being disciplined.
  • Especially when you’re working from home, you need discipline to do what you need to make money.

Roger’s Self-Employed Entrepreneurial Mindset

  • A lot of Roger’s success has had to do with finding good mentors. 
  • Mentors are people who have done what we want to do or achieve and can coach us through the process.
  • Sometimes, we get busy without getting anything done. It’s all about focusing on things that make progress.
  • No one was born a good entrepreneur; all the necessary traits and habits develop over time.

Falling into the Trap of “Creating a Job for Yourself”

  • Often, it's because we don't know any other way to get by.
  • In Roger’s experience, he got spoiled growing up with their family’s oil business. He didn’t have to work for it.
  • When he got a job, he learned that it would not bring him back to where he used to be.
  • After getting laid off from his job, someone asked Roger to look into doing business. That time, he was open-minded enough to do it.
  • He saw how he could replace his full-time income while working from home and have his time and freedom back. It's the reason why he's all about passive income ideas.

How Roger Stays Productive

  • In a business, compensation revolves around how much of a product or service you move to the consumer.
  • They have different company divisions where they can help new and existing clients.
  • You have to identify the best ways of moving products and services to the end consumer.
  • Roger spends his time finding clients and new ways to help existing clients.
  • One of the best pieces of advice that Roger got was, how you do something is how you do everything. 

How Roger Addresses Things That Hold Him Back

  • There are times when we don't feel like doing something. Roger has to constantly inspire, motivate, and give himself a gentle push to do it.
  • He’s a big believer in the law of attraction. He feeds his mind with positive information regularly.
  • Roger creates and updates a goal statement. Listen to the full episode to learn how you can apply this practice!
  • The key places where Roger puts his affirmations are his bedroom door, the inside of his front door, and on the wall right by his desk.
  • One key thing that helps him fine-tune his goal statement is never to write "I will…" The idea should be he has already done it.

On Addressing Mistakes

  • It’s always easier to recognize other people’s faults and shortcomings. 
  • Recognizing these is important in identifying ways how they can do better in what they’re doing.
  • Remember, we all make mistakes.

Roger's Influences

  • One of them is Doug Nelson, who is the lead trainer for Peak Potentials.
  • He's got specific millionaire mentors for particular things, and he does the same for other people.
  • Roger immersed himself in the teachings of pioneers and stayed abreast of new books that came out.
  • You can find at least one golden nugget in every book you read.
  • If he could have a superpower, it would be the power to read people’s minds. If you can read other people’s minds, you can own the world.

Managing Your Income and Building Success

  • No matter how much money we earn, we can find a way to spend it.
  • Everyone has a financial thermostat that dictates success and loss. You can change this thermostat by simply modifying your habits.
  • Social media has changed the paradigm of business.
  • Everyone’s looking for a shortcut. However, something quick and easy doesn’t last long.

What’s Next for Roger

  • He’s got a new way of helping people create an ongoing income based on what they’re already purchasing.
  • Roger likes franchise concepts and finding systems that work.
  • Simple systems always work better and are easier to duplicate.

On Finding Purpose

  • Everyone has a purpose in life. 
  • Act on your passive income ideas, get money out of the way and find out your real purpose and live it.
  • It’s difficult to find your life purpose when you’re working for someone else’s goal.
  • It doesn't matter what kind of business you start; simply start one. 
  • Work to create something that will last long-term and so you can find your purpose in life.

5 Powerful Quotes

“No matter what we're doing, whatever business or what we're doing in life, it's all about finding result-producing activities and focusing on those. You know, I don't believe in having to work harder than the next person. It's just about finding out what things work and concentrate on those.”

“When I meet people, I can tell pretty quickly the type of individual they are and the work ethic that they have. Because how they do something is how they do everything.”

“One key thing that helped me in fine-tuning my goal statement is to never write ‘I will.’ But write it is though ‘I did, I have, I’ve done it.’”

“When you build something, it needs to be for the long haul… Let's say in business, something that will pay you for a lifetime that you can pass down to someone as a legacy. And typically, if you're looking for shortcuts, and quick and easy, that won't ever last.”

“I like finding systems that work. So you don't have to reinvent the wheel; you simply plug in a system for someone. And if they do those things, it will work.”

About Roger

Roger Rose is the Shop Consultant of the largest shopping portal online, SHOP.COM. He is a B2B specialist who works with business owners and health professionals to reduce overhead costs. His focus is to help people create a shopping annuity for the dollars they’re already spending. Roger is also the Customer Manager of WebCenterSolution.com. 

Growing up, Roger’s family was in the oil business in Texas. Because of this, he grew accustomed to having ongoing income from oil money not until his family lost the land. After working like everyone else, he realized that it was hard to earn the income he was used to. But 13 years ago, he saw a way to get to where he used to be financially—without his family’s help and without working for anyone.

If you wish to connect with Roger, you may reach out to him on Facebook or give him a call at 360-513-7673.

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